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the new drivers are aimed at high end Ti cards (4600/4800) and the new FX5800 chipset. Dont bother updating if you are a MX/Ti4200 user, makes no difference whatsoever :P

Nonsense, a Ti 4200 is the same chip as the Ti 4600/4800 if it helps the Ti 4600 or 4800 it will help the Ti 4200 to. You are correct in saying that these drivers are especially for the Geforce FX detenator 41.09 is the last Geforce 4 optimalisation. Now watch our expensive cards die.... :(

the latest drivers include optimisations for *Any* shader capable NVIDIA GPUs - which means GeForce 3 Ti200 right up to the FX5200/5600/5800's.

the GeForce4MX doesn't have any shaders on-chip, granted, but it's capable of emulating a vertex shader in software (i.e. on CPU) - for which the latest drivers also contains optimisations.

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GF-FX line = DX9.0 (which is arguable because of the recent event of 16bit floating point, which would make it a non-compliant card)

GF3, GF4Ti line = DX8.0 (not DX8.1 because of lack of support of Pixel Shader 1.4)

GF4MX, GF2 line = DX7.0 (lack of pixel shader spec)

:roll: 16 bit floating point?

I take it you mean 16-bits per channel? as opposed to claiming that the NV3X family actually only does 16-bits FP instead of a full 128?

The hazards of talking on topics you're not entirely aware of I guess - the GeForce FX is actually more accurate than the Radeon 9500/9600/9700/9800 - ATI only does 96-bits, rounded to 128-bits at the end while NVIDIA offer a true 128-bit and intermediary 64-bit (if developers choose to use it) which has certain performance benefits (and is still an improvement over the IQ of DX8 shaders)

Hmm, I knew i forgot something, forgot I even posted this.. I suppose I should have made that a little more clear.

Granted, you are correct, the GFFX is technically and in practical testing easilly as fast as the 9800 (I'd want either of the cards personally :P , babystep up from a 9700Pro) As you stated it does indeed have full support for 128-bit, and it does have its increase in IQ and preformance in some cases.

But in the case of a few "unofficial" drivers (even the latest set of official Det's 43.45), it has become apparent that the drivers default to 16FP, but to comply with the DirectX 9 specifications a compliant card has to meet the minuimum 24FP afaik. So at "defaults" the driver would technically break spec.

To the average gamer this would probably mean nothing more than a grain of salt.

Either way you cant go wrong, both of these cards are completely respectable and plenty of preformance to spare on games comming up :D

(Dug up the old thread at FM that some of the info came from if you guys want to read though the crazyness Here)

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actually the claims that they'd defaulted to FX16 are incorrect.

since 42.69 NVIDIA included a fix for 3DMark'03 that corrected a coding issue in 3DMark'03 which rendered the sky incorrectly.

FutureMark, having only ever tested and developed their benchmark on a single DX9 board (R300) had used a piece of shader code which didn't work correctly with either NVIDIAs hardware or for that matter the Microsoft DX9 reference renderer. By the time FutureMark got the final '03 build out, they'd picked up on the bug.. but NVIDIA we're still having to use the 'h4x0r3d' driver, waiting for the 43.45 driver to make WHQL...

The latest driver doesn't include the fix. Regardless of what you say.

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Ummm, Xavier, mmmm, NV35, mmm, YOU CAN'T TALK ABOUT THAT YET!? So you know what its going to be....

-Do you think it will be what the NV30 should have been?

Perhaps PM me some info :) But, meh, you can't trust me, even if I promise not to leak.

Life is SOOOO unfair...

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info? heh, no can do - we're under NDA with NVIDIA on any new stuff (whatever that might be ;)) which means I get drop-kicked into oblivion if I say anything - watch this space though, I might even give you guys your own heads-up when new stuff arrives, whatever it may be.

Mind you - the NVIDIA NDAs aren't as scary as the one FutureMark had us sign for 3DMark'03 - $500,000 liability. eek!

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64mb GeForce3Ti200 (Hercules 3d Prophet III)

Teac 4x4x8x (Kodak External made internal)

80Gb Barracuda IV

60Gb Barracuda IV

This PC runs GTA3 in 1024x768 at around 60fps to 75fps when frame limiter is off. But its changing makes it look like stutter, so i leave Frame Limiter on. Its naturally limited to 85fps due to V-Sync, but its rare to hit that

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Gigabyte GA-VTXE+

256mb PC2100

Radeon 8500LE 128mb

Diamond Data 24x10x40x

Creative 12x DVD

80Gb Westernal Digital 8mb

This PC has troubles with GTA3. It does run and when it is running, its a pretty consistent 85fps in 1024x768. BUt the drivers i last put on caused it to sometimes crash. Its rare occurances, but its annoying.

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Tell me, whats the point of telling you any info about NV35, wich you may not leak. There for taking the risk that you leak it.

You know when it will be announced, do you? E3, I guess, just use the arrow smiley as a sign...

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All-In-Wonder ATI Radeon 8500 128DDR

Samsung 48x24x48x

Sound Blaster PCI 128

60Gb 7200RPM Hardrive

40Gb 7200RPM Hardrive

10Gb 3200RPM Hardrive (Used For Backup Only)

Runs GTA3 in 1600x1200 with everything on, at a very decent framerate (60FPS Avg)

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Geforce 4 4280 (8x AGP; 128MB DDR)

2*256MB DDR

120GB+40GB (both 7200)

CDBurner 8x8x32x

DVD 48x16x

Pinnacle PCTV Sat

Terratec Aureon 5.1 Fun

19"

5.1 Sys

cheap, damned keyboard, mouse and mainboard

Want to buy a nforce2 mainboard

Gta3: runs at 1280*1024-32 and all details super

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Damn... you fellas got some big harddrives! i still have a 13 gig... :(

My Specs:

Pentium 3 500 mhz

Geforce 4 MX 460

128 mb ram

dvd 8x

CD-R/RW (forgot speed)

some sorta soundblaster shit

19"

Logitech internet navigator keyboard

Logitech wireless mouse

12.7 gig western digital

Yeah, i know it sucks, but im broke :lol:

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Pentium 4 1.8Ghz

512MB RDRAM(I'm begining to wonder if I'm the only person in the world with RDRAM...)

19" Moniter

12x DVD-ROM

24x CD-RW

40GB HD(Going to get a 120GB soon for cheap)

GeForce 3 Ti200(Going to get a GeForce 4 Ti4800 soon for cheap!)

A damn fine system, only thing really holding me down is my video card, which is good, but it'd help my system alot to get a better one. I know that a high end RADEON is better, but I've been sticking with nVidia, and they've been good to me so far, so I don't see a need to change. ^_^

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Processor: AMD Athlon XP 2400+

Mobo: Soyo KT400 Ultra

GFX Card: Geforce 4 ti4200 (64MB DDR)

RAM: 512DDR PC2700

HD: 40GB (7200rpm)

CDBurner: 8x8x32x

DVD: 48x16x

CDROM: 72x

Case: Sexsy Black Box

Monitor: 19"

Internet: Cable 2.0m/348k

I run GTA at 1600x1200 and the draw distance all the way up with no lag :D

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AMD Athlon 2400+

512MB DDR 400 RAM

GeForce 4 4400, 128MB

Onboard 5:1 Audio

Onboard Gigabit network for LAN

3com 100mbit for Internet

x40x12x48 Burner

DVD (x32 something, Don't remember exact specs)

2x80GB 7200RPM drives

4x120GB 7200RPM drives in 4+0 RAID (one 480GB partition)

The most annoying fan noise in the world from several fans!!! :)

You can never have to little drive space :D

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