Cerbera

I think you guys asked for that a few weeks ago but I never got round to adding it, heh. It's on the image now, though. Good choice as there is health up there and also those garages offer great cover against people on the ground and using helicopters.

Washington Mall is a great choice, one of the most spectacular locations by far. It also has a rooftop and health is just across the road. Good call. I've updated the image. We've now got 17 gangs on it!

You are listed in the official list so that's good. However, some people don't like gangs who chose locations where there is a teleport to reach the interior. In the heat of battle there can be a severe delay between entering the interior and having the textures load. If you can find a different location that would be excellent but if your hearts are set on the Malibu then I won't stop you from having it.

Please remove the link to that image, it will confuse people who visit this thread as the information on it will conflict with actual map. I made a pretty sly move and removed [DRUG] and put WtF in it's place, so no horrible messing around with floating bits of original radar textures over the gaps! I take it you meant to use this location? If so, you were using the wrong square road on your image - it's North-West the dirt track square, which is West of the parabolic curve coming from the golf course. I've updated the image now.

Just popping by to say that I've seen your message but that I don't have enough time to update the image. It's gonna be a real pain updating it now, because some of the text has started to overlap the coastline.

No-one ever supplyed me a link to any official guidelines that say shift locations cannot be used. If you read through the thread the actually claimed the roof of the stadium because they use trainers, I told them they had to use the ground level without trainers in public battles. If they've been excluded for using trainers in public events then I'll wipe them off the map in the next update.I've asked VCP if they still want to keep thier location on this map because they seem to just be going through a re-shuffle, rather than actually closing. When they make thier decision I will do the next map update. (EDIT) Many thanks to the staff for finally sticking this topic at the top and removing some of those redundant threads.

If you are still actively playing MTA then do you want to keep your location on the gang headquarters map? Please reply in that thread saying whether you do or not, I'll forget to keep checking this one.

My guidelines are not stupid. I see you've failed to understand the very simple reasons which I've given. Glad to see you've made the list now, wasn't that painful was it? I've updated the image. I set your property as being the construction site, as requested. Hope I got the right one! Say, this map is really starting to look quite populated. It's hard to visualise how many gangs there are until you see that image with all thier territories marked on. It's often been a nuisance having to amend the data to keep it up to date because of gangs that change thier names, or locations, but I'm glad I've stuck with it - it's been running since the start of October last year.

It's as up to date as I can make it. Gangs who disband are supposed to say so in the official gangs list; if they havn't done that then how am I to know? As I've pointed out several times, I can't scamper all round the internet checking which gangs are doing what. This isn't the only thing I do; I'm currently buried under design projects for Myriad Islands, experimental handling setups for planes and amphibious vehicles in Vice, as well as re-writing the Invision 1.3 forum templates for a new skin which GTAForums.com will have. Oh, there's also Majera, London Vice, etc, etc. All I've asked you to do is make an entry in the official gangs thread so that I can check that to ensure that the information on this map remains correct. It is YOUR decision whether or not to do that. However, if you don't actually play MTA:VC then claiming a property in this MTA:VC thread is unecessary. Claim the territory in the relevant thread created by whichever dedicated member of whichever multiplayer program you guys use is running. As you've clearly found a community so much better than this one there must be a sensational map image, done in Flash with zooming and panning ability and with dynamic gang lists updated from a centralised thread. Right?

Your listed in the official members list, so I've added you. Nice choice of location. You can get to the jeti by fast vehicle and if you get a few vehicles out there you can dump them in the water to act as a walkway to get onto the boat. Once on the boat, you are stranded without a really fast vehicle or a helicopter. Very isolated position to take...it's almost anti-competitive. You call, though. I've updated the image.

Having to rummage through the links of registered members' signatures and then trawl the content on thier site to see if anything is relevant is precisely what scampering all round the internet is. Remember that I would have to do this with EVERY gang which applied if none of them registered in the official list. As you said yourself, I would have to "Try going to directly to our website listed in the links below and taking a look at a few of the sections..." Additionally, I would have to keep checking back at your forum to ensure you were still together and hadn't changed name, or the format of your callsign tags. The whole point of the official gangs list is that all this information is readily available to everyone in that one location so that I can ensure this map is right up to date and contains no redundant information. I made my reasons perfectly clear. If you don't think your gang suits this system then don't register in the official list and don't claim property. It's your decision entirely. If you decide not to register then it's just less work for me!

You aren't in the official gang list, so you aren't an official gang. And that keeps us from holding territory? We were once an "official" MTA gang, but decided to part from the community and all events because of some problems with other gangs and the big shots here; they did not want us. While we were still connected to this community they were thinking about suspending us, anyway. If you were even around to see what happened, then you'd understand.However, we're still a gang with 50+ members. We have two MTA servers, an IRC channel, a website, and are beta testers of GTAT 0.5 (and an official gang of that MP mod, at least). There are some gangs on your headquarters map that have none of that and aren't necessarily official either, or are incredibly inactive. If you'd like to put some proper reasoning into your posts before denying us territory, then please reply again. I tend to only allow gangs who are listed to claim territory so that it prevents founders of gangs which have no members taking up land which other gangs would be more deserving of. There are over a dozen gangs listed on this map and there are regular requests from people to be added or to change thier position or name. It is unreasonable to expect me to scamper all round the internet trying to harvest enough information about a specific MTA gang to ensure they are actually a gang which has members. The official gang list thread is where all gangs which are stable and have more than 6 members list themselves, and maintain thier member list. A gang which can't be bothered to even do that isn't one which is likely to deserve territory imho.Additionally, I created this thread with the idea that it would be used by gangs who organise team battles with each other, specifically with regards to the ladder tournament we run here. Gangs cannot enter that event unless they are officially listed and so giving them territory would take away a location which a legitimate, ladder-eligible gang could have taken. I am not disputing any statistic about ULK other than them not being in the official list. Zircon, if your clan has "departed from the community and all events" then why would you need to claim territory here?

You aren't in the official gang list, so you aren't an official gang.

That's the whole point - there's a whole bunch of sites offering the exact same thing as we have in this very forum which people don't want and don't need.Forums are by far the best way to keep a community running and if that community can be based on one, well-known forum then all the better. As everyone who downloads MTA:VC has to get it from the parent of this forum, everyone who gets MTA:VC knows of these forums and so it's senseless to try and take the community elsewhere. Are you part of an online team yourself? If not, perhaps you would consider SSR? (EDIT) Also, as the official gang member thread is here and the semi-official (and certainly most complete) gang headquarters map is here, there's nothing any other site could offer which isn't already here imho.

I thought the reason aircraft weapons weren't included was because they aren't operable by the SCM? One sure problem is that the cannon on the Hunter and Sea Sparrow auto-aim when the player uses them but I don't think this would be the case in MTA, as the SCM would have to be operating this.As for the rockets, this would be difficult as the angle at which vehicles are at is not transferred quickly enough (and sometimes the up/down rotation isn't transferred at all) and so would result in the person shooting the rockets seeing them hit one location whilst everyone else would see them hitting other locations. In principle I'm all for them in normal gameplay as long as there is at LEAST one tank which can fire. That way you could shoot down a Hunter by finding a ramp, bank or other slope from which you could aim the barrel upwards. Additionally, the Hunter takes only a couple of seconds to shoot down using the M60, so people who took it wouldn't be as invincible as you might think!

Right, I take it this is a new gang then? You don't seem be listed in the official gangs list so you aren't eligable for a property. Are you representing a re-named VCP or something?I checked the official gang members thread and found that Evolution truely have disbanded, and I found that PWA was also created by them. Such a pain having to get bits of clean radar textures to cover up the shit organisation of gangs like that, grr. Whilst checking the gang members thread I noticed that -E where officially listed, so I've given them thier property too. Whew, quite an update! (EDIT) As the text in the bottom-right of the image was starting to get out of alignment I've added a couple of lines for me to work to. Also I've re-positioned KFC to the Marina Sands Hotel and change the where the BDG gang were noted so the -E property doesn't get confused with it.

Looks like the changed into PWA, then changed into }EVO{ - which means there are two gang names listed on the HQ image which have both closed? Screw that. If gangs aren't even at the standard of maturity where they can stick with a name then they don't deserved property, lol. I'll permanently remove the references to PWA and }EVO{ if no-one from their gang(s) has posted here to explain how they should be listed...if at all.

GRR! It's Cerbera, as in the TVR sports car, not Cerebra! Cheers for the info on that Xenex. Are you totaly sure they disbanded? Did they announce it in a thread anywhere? I'll have a rummage through the topics myself to check this, don't want to go through the lengthy process of chopping bits of fresh radar textures to cover up the references to them and re-do the text section if they havn't actualy closed down fully. As the (-E) clan is seperate I'll add them to the boathouse as soon as I get word about }EVO{ I think. No point me updating to add a clan when I may have to remove one too...that would be almost like work!

You have? I honestly havn't seen anyone request that building properly yet. I'm genuinly sorrying if it seems that I've been ignoring you, I just didn't realise anyone had claimed it amongst the bickering KFC have been doing in here. However, I thought the Evolution gang used the }EVO{ callsign and had the Ocean View Hotel as thier base? Have you guys changed location now? DeathB, good to know that despite the rather inactive nature of SSR it's still regarded well! >TcR

Whats the point of your site? There's already a bagful of MTA clan hub website type places and none of them get used. This is the only place MTA clans need - it's really not that big a scene.Just trying to save you from the dissapointment of putting loads of hard work into something that will never be used. Not only is the MTA scene small, but most of the players are lazy, childish or just don't care enough to make this sort of thing work.

Hey, aren't you from GTAForums? You got banned from there, or heavily starred didn't you? Anyway, what makes your gang worthwhile? You should work on making your opening post more presentable. The effort I took with the SSR Recruitment thread really payed off as the niche market that street racers used to be responded well and meant I got enough members to become official. If your gang has no unique function, people will be better off joining one of the established clans. Have you got a 24-hour server, for instance? BTW, your site is pretty damned ugly and the layout is awful, but at least you share my good taste in choosing "Century Gothic" as your font.

*ducks to avoid thrown beer bottles*When was this interior ban made? Can you link me to the topic/news article? I don't see why it makes any difference. To my mind it's sensless; the interiors load instantly in MTA:VC so there's no advantage to the defenders or disadvantage to attackers when using them. This rule is unecessary and removes many of the finest locations imho. Wheelman, if you don't care about what the map says then there's no need to argue about what the map says. Are you the founder/leader of KFC anyway? It's ultimatly the leader's decision where you guys go. You seriously need to get your gang organised! (EDIT) I see your signature image has the Marina place in it, yet it doesn't recognise KungFuGrip as one of the bosses in the KFC gang when his signature says he founded it. That's some seriously unco-ordinated gang presentation.

You rest your case already? You've barely even put it forward...as well as having ignored all the exhibits such as THE FIRST POST! First come first served. If you want to challenge VCXS or whoever owns a property you want, then post in thier gang thread or PM thier leader about it. I hope you have a fair and enjoyable battle.

If the MTA:VC team distributed the decompiled SCM, other talented modders would be able to create variations like this and even stage them in completely new arenas. As it stands currently, these alterations have such a limited audience that it simply isn't worth distributing with the core of MTA:VC imho.

Fighting cheaters will always be a losing battle because it's not the responsibility of the people who make the mod to protect people from those who are corrupt. I would suggest that it is a responsibility - or at least a courteous duty - that the modders who make MTA:VC support all the other modders in the community by allowing free modification of MTA:VC, supplying the uncompiled SCM and so on. Just doing a little things like this to help the rest of us take this brilliant device further.