Loendal
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The scavenger hunt idea is a good idea, but people tend to shy away from it. In Twisted Metal Black: Online, they had such a game mode. Noone ever played it. And talk about a cars with guns game? Twisted Metal is the original (Or at least, the first decent) video game that met the mark when it came to my expectations of a cars with guns game =) Especially online
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While I was lying in bed, slowly coming to conciousness this morning, I was thinking about my progress in SA's Car Collector missions. I've finished up two chalkboards worth, working my way through the third. I got to thinking about that crane and it's uses.
This Gamemode will take some Modding and a bit of coding, but if Blue is all we're told it's going to be, this should be a possibility. I've actually got several ideas this morning, but I didn't want to post three times. We'll start here
Hangman
Required players: 2-4 (Depending on how it's coded up)
Vehicles: 2 at a time, up to 6
Weapon Restrictions: Driveby-capable weapons (Though others might be coded for use in a driveby)
Gameplay:
Two cranes on either side of a tall building, three cars each down on the street below. 1 Crane Operator per team, 1 "driver" (so to speak). Driver hops into a car and gets scooped up by the crane on each team. Crane operators swing their drivers around on the crane. Goal is to destroy the enemy's car, as they are trying to do the same to you. Best 3 out of 5 (Remember the 6 vechile thing?) or just straight up 1 on 1.
Potential Drawbacks:
Cars don't spin while attached to the magnet, they are always facing the same direction.
Cranes don't move really fast. A small speed improvement to the crane would be able to give the car more of a 'whip' in movement, allowing for faster reaction to potential threats.
May have to code in some sort of defensive measure for the Gas tank so you can't be one shotted off your crane? The whip and spin things above could make up for that, though.
Deathtrack
Number of players: Any (Though more then 2 could get ugly)
Vehicles: Any (Though more lowrider/slippery cars would be preferred)
Weapons: Any
Weapon Modification: 1 Stinger per vehicle
Gameplay
Somewhere in Los Venturas, there is a semi-tall building with a wide roof around a central structure. I've been able to land a Dodo on it, so it's not too awful narrow (And anyone who's seen me fly a plane understands that's no small feat for me to land a plane ANYWHERE, let alone a building roof
). Racers are popped up on there and given the countdown. Laps around this extended roof, drivebys and such functional. One stinger per car (Stinger is the spike strip that the police used in VC, it's in one of the SA Missions after you get the gas station).Potential Drawbacks
Having to click to drop a Stinger might make you unable to fire in a driveby, at least until you use up your Stinger anyway.
Various cars. There's obviously very diferent speeds of cars, and it could make this a lopsided race. Perhaps have a standard car that's the same for everyone, like a Blade or a Super GT (Both are slidey).
Variations:
No weapons, no stingers, just a demolition derby of sorts.. Knock the opposition off the rooftop in any way, shape or form you can. Last man on the roof takes the win.
Drawback of this however is we don't know how good vehicles are synched yet. Yes, we've seen a video, but we haven't actually TRIED it yet. Everyone is well aware of how odd it is to try and PIT someone in MTA:VC and MTA:GTAIII right now.
Last Stand
Number of players: Any
Vehicles: Any
Weapons: Any but Flamethrower (To keep wall-abusers away from temptation)
Gameplay:
A slight variation on the Hangman idea. Two teams get up on either side of a tall building, though this one should probably have more surface area. Each team would get 4 or 5 cars, perhaps some barriers of some kind (This is probably the most mod-needed game idea). Teams set up a base of sorts, setting up their barriers and cars and all that stuff in whatever fashion they desire, so long as it's on the roof and goes no further then 1/3 of the way out from the edge of the building. The goal is to destroy the other team's cars, all of them, any way possible. Bonus points if you shove the enemy vehicles off the side of the building instead of blowing them up outright.
Comments? Feedback?
--- Loendal
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Being an old school Roleplayer, I figured I'd pop a few words in here.
While SA does have some RPG elements (Weapon Skills, Functional Skills, Stats and Missions), it's basically a huge shooting gallery, which tends to break any Roleplaying one can attempt to do into two routes, kill or get killed. Hack and Slash is NOT Roleplaying, and from what I've seen of the MTA community, it's not roleplaying-focused. It's all about the kills, who you kill, how often you kill and what you kill them with.
To impliment a fully functional MMO style game (Which is what I see your ideas being) would be a huge undertaking and the mass mindset of the MTA community would have to shift. Your suggestions are nice, I can see you put alot of thought into balance and playability, but it all boils down to the same two routes in MTA; Killing or getting Killed. You respawn and go do it again.
I've tried roleplaying on the so-called RPG servers before and I was kicked because I went to assassinate a specific individual who killed me recently. I was firing at only him amongst a crowd of people, being very specific about who I was shooting at and then suddenly "ding! You have been kicked from the server!". Anyone I spoke with from an in-character standpoint ignored me, and on yet another RPG server, I was threatened they would hack my ISP if I didn't stop fighting and instead left them alone to !sell cars and !buydrugs.
MTA is an action based game, with very very minor RPG elements. Now I haven't been up to par on my MTA:SA research, but I don't think they'll be setting things up to where your character stats and outfits are saved on the server (Thus creating a continuous flow of improvement over time). I think it's more likely they'll just max out the skills and give people classes with weapons and a spawnpoint or spread pickups around the map.
An MMORPG of Grand Theft Auto has been as much a dream of the gamers out there as a Multi-player version of Grand Theft Auto was, especially after they started finding leftover code for Multiplayer in GTA III. If there's going to be a massive server based MMO game, it's going to have to come from Rockstar themselves. Hosting a 12 man server on your machine at home doesn't compare to the hardware power you need to run a full fledged MMO.
As a small gamemode, I can see your ideas working, but you need (from what I'm reading, and I could be misunderstanding some of the thoughts) lots of people in the server at the same time to actually put them to use. You need a driver to spawn a vehicle for you, you need a gunner to bring in the heavy weapons, you need another gang around to fight against or you need an admin to be there to start up some kind of antagonist against you. Otherwise you're left with the standard "Look, something moving over there, let's go kill it". Let's not forget, there won't be Peds and other NPC's in MTA; Blue or not.
I like your ideas, it seems well balanced, I just don't see the MTA community being able to digest it. And any true Roleplayers that are on these forums already know what happens when D00ds and Roleplayers are in the same vicinity... It's not pretty. (Guenivere DAOC RP server, anyone?)
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Always interesting to see a post like this.
Yes, the new controls take some adaptation (Especially the driving) but you get used to it after a bit. I find myself turning the mouse to keep the camera going with me properly in Vice City now. Doesn't hurt anything, keeps me in tune with SA.
Why do you need an auto-aim anyway? Right click, point and shoot.. Run to the side and get out of the way or behind a barrier if you're being shot at. You're going to get hurt one way or another, it's very difficult to get into a fire fight and come out unscathed.
Not being able to back up while fighting isn't that much of a problem, you just have to move differently and achive the same results.
I think the right click to fire thing is great, and the car camera problem can be adapted to. I've had this discussion with Firefox before, why do you need a crosshair if you're not shooting at anything?
One thing to try for those who can't seem to adapt to the car camera thing.. Try zooming the camera out a bit, see if that helps you. I just don't know what to tell you otherwise. Adapt and get over it.
* shrugs and fades back into obscurity *
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I wasn't sure wether to add you as 7URB®B or TURB®B, TURBOB etc, but I've added you as the first now. Let me know if youd like it in a different format
Shouldn't that list be updated? Scribe is gone, LMDJ is gone, Dusty is gone, Heck; Myself, Firefox, You, Turbob and Marcel are the only ones I ever see anyway.
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Could you please keep this discussion warez-free.
P.S. I'd thoroughly recommend getting GTA3.
alright. I will continue to keep this conversation free of spooky wares
and I appreciate your feedback on which GTA I should buy. I always loved the city Liberty way better than Vice anyway.
Hey, I have been wondering about this for a while and I just remembered it.
Nothing against CJ, but not everyone is going to want to play as CJ, even if you can customize his clothes. Is it possible to change the skin of your character, while retaining the ability to change clothes? That way players could choose a skin, then customize their clothes, so in theory you could have an old lady with a do-rag and gangsta clothes.
I'll say it before someone else does... "Wait for Blue, then you can mod to your heart's content"
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MTA 0.5.5 (87%) MTA:Blue (70%)
So much for .5.1
And we're at 87%, nice =)
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These aren't single player missions. These are ones designed for multiplayer such as one one where someone has to drive the bus to a destination and if its speed drops, it explodes (a la "Speed") whilst others try their best to stop it by blocking and ramming it. There are others as well which I can't remember.
Speed: "If the bus drops below 50, it will explode..." nuff said..
Rewards Individuals only, and up to 1 passenger. And I don't think it has a destination, only a timer.Grand Theft Auto: Steal a Rival Gang leader's car. You'll get radar blips of the other gang cars, go steal one and take it back to your drop off point (Which is different for each team). Rewards entire team (I think. Could have sworn I picked up after someone else stole one sucessfully)
Ransack: (??? I don't know the name of it, don't play it much): Go to the warehouse which will be highlighted in blue on your map. Pick up as many crates as you can, avoid Flame, Dark Gas Clouds and other players. Use the white gas cloud to refresh your oxygen supply. Survive long enough for the timer to run out and you get paid. Game switches to top down mode. Rewards individuals only.
Van Heist: (My personal favorite) Steal the Securicar from the Airport and drive it back to your drop off point and avoid it being damaged to the point of explosion. You'll see a damage meter. Rewards entire team.
AND NO, MIKE, YOU MAY NOT SMOOSH MY SECURICAR WITH A DODO!
P.S. These are only currently available in SSV games, they don't exist anywhere else. SSV is designed as a team-based game.
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hmm.. patriot and cheetah are the best vehicles.
Patriot can get almost everywhere and cheetah.. oh.. my cheetah! lol
perfect squaring.. but not fast like hotring racer which is hella crashable
* blinks * Where the hell you been hiding all this time!? I never see you anywhere since late .2 or .3!
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in gta:3 gotta be the copcar as its just insane. fast, looks good, easy to roll
Nah, Cop Car handles like a dream in GTA III.. It's the one in Vice that's doesn't hold the road for squat
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Vice City: Admiral, Sentinal XL, Cuban Hermes (Ridin' in style!)
GTA III: Stinger, Police Car, Columbian Cruiser
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nice idea, this reminds me of another game that has such thing....anyone knows which game?
Neverwinter Nights
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The only reason many people and I use the shotgun a lot now is because of the dreadful credit glitch. People want their credit for the kill so the are always close. Once the glitch is fixed, you might see a spread in gameplay.
I doubt that, simply because I've already lived through the initial inclusion of Portland GTA III and people still always used the shotgun, and the kill credit worked much better in .4. It still had issues, but not quite so many as .5's kill credit system. I'm thinking it's something to do with the GTA III Engine. I belive Kent mentioned it once when I caught him in a server.
I'm hoping for a nice half-way point between what we saw in .4 and what we have in .5 SSV when .5.1 comes to light. The extra jump is good (Hinders those shotgun double kills and helps to avoid carkillers), the weapon selection at spawn is great, the team based gameplay and missions are superb; unfortunately, people seem to completely disregard this excellent addition to MTA because they're too busy bouncy around like ninnies near the punk noodles.
And if I hear one more person calling me a "runner" because I fight from outside shotgun range, I'm going to scream.
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Aaron is right. We are tired because we don't use our imagination. Most of us don't go somewhere past killing. I was racing in SSV the other day and that was fun because there was killing all the time and everyone got sick of it. I should say another part of the future of mta is team deathmatch. This will attract a lot of people and keep the old ones. If you are all tired if FFA, play mta gather. Its really fun and organized because of the script. Just go on irc and get a few friends and go in #mta.gather and you might have a different experience of mta.
SSV is designed as Team Based Gameplay... But nobody bothers. Everyone spawns as Yakuza and bounces around with shotguns
Team play is perfectly possible now, with or without a script, but it takes practice to make sure you and your teammates are actually WORKING as a team.
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Will it work this time? ©
As Nuttertools said, You cannot sync peds (properly) without causing massive bandwidth usage...
*Do the cars now respawn on right places? For example those road at the Phil's place.
*Are there interiors for the gressy chopper and downtown ammunation?
Etc.
They are probably not trying to synch peds.. It could just be a glitch from some leftover and barely modified SCM code.. They are well aware of the bandwidth issues involving peds, I'm sure.
The secondary spawn of the cars happens when something goes awry in the initial spawn point, it's like a backup. This is not a huge gameplay issue, a minor inconvience at best. Yes, I'd like to see it fixed too, but let's get more accurate and synched gameplay first rather then worry about "Oh damn, I have to run back into Phil's to get the van that just respawned after being messed up on the road, there's 5 seconds of my life I'll never get back"
Who cares if these interiors are there or not? How many people actually go in there to fight? The only reason people go into the chopper now is to abuse the missing imagry by having invisible walls to duck around. Again, not a huge gameplay issue, I'd put both of these far down on the list of things to work on
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Um... Ok... Two brand new faces come in and start asking questions in a negative tone.. What's up with that?
It was stated that these are just test pics, they don't reflect actual game play in the new revision. Nothing in the pics can be taken as gospel for what's coming our way.
Nutter, you have no reason to step in and start flaming right out the gate. If you've been around MTA for a while, why hide behind some new login?
These are merely TEST PROGRESS pics, as in, they were testing some synch issue they found from an older version, and he has some screenies of the testing process.
* hangs a pair of "Please do not feed the Trolls" signs on the two "new" users *
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Yo i was wondering. Where u get that mod? Cause I want 2 no if i can do that in single player and in multiplayer.
It's quite obvious it was done in Multiplayer.. 1) the chat box 2) The "Screen Shot" taken text and 3) He's a sailor, not Tommy
Admittedly, 3 is optional, as he could have spent hours using the "ilikedressingup" code to get there.
And I might like to add I love the little argument that sprung up from the question asked
Happy Belated Easter.. I couldn't resist jumping in on one of the silliest mini-flamewar I've found on the forums
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Oh complaining, yes, well.. I'm getting more and more used to it, as I can't seem to avoid it.
I suppose I've got my gripes too, but in the past month I've been told to "Play nice or I'll rob your bank dry" and "I'm a h4x0r and I'm going to trash your ISP" on an RPG server. I've been ordered to not use a flamethrower on threat of ban or kick, I've been called a noob repeatedly, I've been quadruple teamed because I dared to fight instead of just roll over and let folks go on their way (same RPG server)...
I think I'm through trying to be a good guy... Perhaps I should brush up on my car noobing, flame using, glitch abusing and poor typing so I can fit in with the rest of the population.....
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Are anyone complaining in Partyserver and banning/kicking? I will talk to them, because the flamer is very very easy to dodge. *cough* jump *cough*... so the admins KICKING/BANNING are very poor in mind and can't take a killing nor do they even have a sense of dodging it instead they just run around stupidly. I'am sorry if it was Partyserver doing this, it needs to be stopped.
Yes, there are complainers on Partyserver, some even among the KFC members, but like I said, I'm not pointing finger or going to name names. Noone has kicked or banned for the Flamer that I'm aware of, though. Apriciate the concern, however
I'm not allowed to comment on the unquoted part of your response, so I'll stop here
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And with carkilling, I watch my radar and do the jump if a car gets near. I think that most people know to jump, but when they don't and they die and get pissed and say "n00b carkiller," they are actually mad at THEMSELVES for not jumping or dodging it..
Oye... The "Watch your back" argument for carkilling...
*** EDITED: Because apparently some people think the MTA community is too stupid / lazy to read a logical argument. Happy? ***
What you're offering is a lame excuse for poor gameplay. Bear in mind, I don't mind the occasional car kill, it's the chronic ones that really burn my ass. But anyway... Get back on Topic.. This article is about Flamethrowers and game balance
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Ya just gotta love screwing up the missions for Loendal.
I'll never forget the one where i flew my dodo into the van and blew it up, then proceeded to fly away grinning
No comment
I mean what am I supposed to do? Scream "DODO N00B!" at you? Hell, I can barely achive takeoff, let alone fly the damn things. I give credit where credit is due
thought you had no comment
Shhhh
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Ya just gotta love screwing up the missions for Loendal.
I'll never forget the one where i flew my dodo into the van and blew it up, then proceeded to fly away grinning
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I mean what am I supposed to do? Scream "DODO N00B!" at you? Hell, I can barely achive takeoff, let alone fly the damn things. I give credit where credit is due
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yeah well... i do understand the point when someone ORGONISES a mission, but most of the time, its just noobs who like triggering the first thing theyve found, even if everyone else is fighting..
i suggest letting only people with a certain amount of money to start a minigame. something like "Thou cannot start random minigames without killing 5 people at least".. oh, and if you dont like it, make it a server option
Hmph! I like missions and I'm no noob! =)
Your suggestion, however, defeats the whole purpose of missions in the first place. They are to MAKE money.. If I'm broke and want some cash, I'm starting up a GTA or Van Heist to get that payout. By your suggestion, I can neither run a mission to get money nor can I easily get some kills with just a colt and a baseball bat.
I love the missions in SSV, they give an actual reason to the mayhem. I had a fabulous Van Heist earlier, but after they broke down my van, they proceded to whirl around me trying to car noob like flies on shit. Completely defeat the purpose of knocking out the van, doesn't it? It was a good chase and both me and the car noobs had some fine manuvers both for and against my securing the van (Which I managed to eventually anyway).
There are plenty of health pickups lying around out there, you just may have to drive to get them while the mission is running. Or hey, here's an idea.. Complete the mission yourself and get paid so you can not only buy health but lots of ammo to boot, both problems solved.
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I don't know if this is the right place to post it or not, but I was struck with an idea last night while cruising around an empty Portland waiting for FKU to show up for a bat fight
Landstalker Races...
Everyone knows these things handle like a wet turd and are easy as pie to roll over at the speeds one needs for racing, but I'd think it'd be a nice game mode to shoot for. Somehow work in the little blips like in the old Turismo along a pathway with lots of curves and hills and such. Landstalkers in the RAIN would be far more intimidating, but since weather isnt' currently synched in GTA III, we'd have to go on dry pavement.
I don't know if SSV would be ideal for this or not, as there are ALOT of nasty hills there.. Rather it be a challenge then damn near impossible
Staunton.. Perhaps too flat
Portland.. Maybe around the St. Marks area at best.. Dunno
Just my two cents
--- Loendal
[VCA] Vice City Army - ....Server details to be updated....
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Now.. What do we have to tie you down to to be assured you're not going to run your little laggy arse off somewhere again?