php and frames ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT
i use both, because it takes less bandwidth for 56kers (dont have to load the entire page/menu, just that one frame) and makes my menu alot easier to manage (if i change a file path, i dont have to go in EVERY SINGLE PAGE to update the link in the menu, just one time and im done).
now GET BACK ON TOPIC or else LOCK
well, maby 1 or 2 more ot posts to finish up this pointless convo, but TWO IS AS FAR AS ILL GO